Interview:
Don Letts
Draw Fast, Shoot Straight, and Don’t Be a C**t
Image Credit: Matt Day (Don Letts @ Mucky Weekender)
Interview:
Don Letts
There are icons, and then there’s Don Letts. For five decades, the man has been more than just a presence; he’s been a catalyst. The dreadlocked DJ who famously armed London’s burgeoning punk scene with the bass-heavy power of reggae at The Roxy in ’77, he defined a pivotal moment in history. As a filmmaker for The Clash, musician with Big Audio Dynamite, and broadcaster, he has consistently operated on the bleeding edge. Letts is the original Rebel Dread, the living embodiment of Black and British, who championed ideas over commerce.
Meeting him, you expect an imposing figure, a man weighed down by the gravity of his own history. Instead, you get a lanky, cool-as-fuck elder statesman who carries his legacy with a lightness that’s almost disarming. I had to know how a man who has lived such a life distils his own essence.
So, I started simple. Describe yourself, Don. In less than five words or as a colour or an aroma.
He leans back, a slow smile spreading across his face. “Oh, man! Well, colour, it would have to be green, because everyone who knows me, you know I’m down with your earth-toned. I’m all about the green.” No surprises there… As for five words? “The rebel dread. It’s been working for me, so far! And the aroma? He gives a sly grin. “Can’t tell you that, or I’ll get busted.” I think our listeners can read between the lines.
The – Rebel – Dread – Green – Herb. It’s the perfect summary.
The Sound of a Black and British Duality
For 16 years, Don has been a fixture on BBC Radio 6 Music, his ‘Culture Clash Radio’ show a testament to a life lived between worlds. People call it eclectic, a label he shrugs off with effortless logic.
“You know what’s funny? People say I’m eclectic, but I’m like, who the hell listens to one kind of music except for a 10-year-old? If you go around most people’s houses, if they’ve got a little bit of taste, it’s quite varied… My show just reflects the duality of my existence, which is black and British. I grew up with sort of reggae and black music coming in this ear, and the Beatles and the Stones and Led Zeppelin in this ear. And I’ve always been open to whatever’s out there, especially if it’s got a good bassline.”
This openness wasn’t just a personality trait; it was a conscious decision, a personal rebellion. “When I was young, I decided I wasn’t going to be defined by my colour. Okay. You know, just because I was black didn’t mean I couldn’t dig The Who or Led Zeppelin or whatever, you know.” He admits he was the odd one out in his Brixton community. “I was put it out there. I was the odd one out, but I kind of revelled in that, you know what I mean? Yeah. And the girls liked me, thought I was interesting as well. Which helps, too. Yeah, because I wasn’t like the other brothers, you know.”
His musical education was forged in the fire of live performance. “I’m as old as rock and roll, I was born in 1956. And I’m an example of what music can do to a person. I saw The Who when I was 14 years old and it changed my life forever. Between seeing The Who when I was 14, Bob Marley a few years later, and the Sex Pistols not long after that, here I am today.”
This wasn’t just background noise; it was a life philosophy. “Listen, I grew up on music that helped you to be all you can be. It was about changing your mind, not changing your sneakers, you know.”
In today’s saturated digital landscape, where an avalanche of new music is a daily reality, how does he find the gold? “I get a shitload of music sent to me, which trust me, folks, is a mixed blessing… 70 per cent of what’s going on right now, that’s en masse, you know, ain’t for me.” This is where the old-school role of the curator, the DJ, becomes vital. “You do need some cultural curators out there to go through all this shit so you don’t have to… Airspace is really valuable. Some people are doing some really beautiful things. They’ve got something to say and it gets lost in all this ego and makeup.” For Don, the key is to look beyond the noise. “The world’s a big and beautiful place. And if your bullshit detector’s finely tuned, there’s some inspirational stuff out there.”
Image Credit: www.donletts.com
When Brixton Met Punk Rock: The Roxy Revolution
The story is legendary. It’s 1977. London is spitting, snarling, and tearing itself apart to the soundtrack of anarchism, punk rock. At the epicentre of this nascent scene is The Roxy, a grimy club in Covent Garden. The house bands—The Clash, The Slits, Siouxsie and the Banshees—are still figuring out how to play. During the breaks, the club’s DJ, a dreadlocked kid from Brixton named Don Letts, spins a 45. But it’s not punk. It’s reggae.
“Back in 1977, the white kids were looking until before they created punk rock, they wanted a rebellious sound,” he explains. “And there’s a tradition of white kids looking into black music for their rebellious fix… By the mid-70s, you know, a bunch of British white kids that had grown up with kids like me, children of the Windrush, had been turned onto these bass-heavy rhythms that had come from the island and they adopted it as their rebellious soundtrack until they created their own, which was punk rock.”
He’s quick to share the credit, pointing out the groundwork laid before him. “People make a big deal out of Don Letts turning on a lot of white people and the truth is, before Don Letts, there was this label called Trojan Records, launched in 1968. And that label really sowed the seeds for the UK’s love affair with Jamaican music.” He name-checks the icons who were already converted. “People like Joe Strummer, Terry Hall, John Lydon… Paul Simon, all those kids would have known about Trojan before Don Letts came along. The people that I turned on to reggae in the late ’70s were all the white folk that didn’t interact with black people. And in the late ’70s, that was a fucking lot of white people.”
This cultural cross-pollination wasn’t just a vibe; it was a statement. In a deeply divided Britain, the fusion of punk and reggae was a powerful symbol of unity against the establishment. Don wasn’t just playing records; he was building bridges with basslines. His DJ sets reflect this history. It’s not pure roots. “I’m kind of, like I say, I’m reflecting the duality of what I am, which is black and British, man, and all the different influences reflected in my selection.” He has become the living embodiment of the island’s gift to the world: bass.
Don Letts, Boiler Room set
Subculture in the Age of the Influencer
Don has lived through the birth and death of countless subcultures. From punk to rave, he’s seen it all. But he sees a fundamental shift in the motivations of today’s youth.
“I’ll tell you the difference is the aspirations of the people that are involved in all this stuff now,” he states, leaning in. “When we got involved in it in the last half of the 20th century, doing these things, getting involved in music, or making films as I did, was an anti-establishment thing. Yes. Call us naive, but we thought we didn’t want to be part of the establishment.”
And now?
“Fast forward to where we are in the 21st century, and now, you know, people want to be on the red carpet, they want to be on the MTV Awards. They want to have a bottle of Cristal. And they get into it to be part of the system. And I think if that is your goal, I don’t know how radical you can be… The only way forward in the 21st century, really, is to have new values. The minute you say, you know what? I’m not interested in all that stuff, I’ll go my own route. You might not make as much money, but at least you can be true to yourself and do something that’s genuinely going to move things forward and not just move product.”
This isn’t just an old man yelling at a cloud. He empathises with the economic pressures facing the young. “There are kids, young people now, living with their parents in their 30s, 40s, and, you know, hard to be a rebel with your mum doing a washing up. You know what I mean? The economy has had a devastating impact… you can’t do stuff and take risks. You’ve got to do stuff that’s going to get your rent paid.”
But he has little patience for wasted potential. He points to the phone on the table between us. “You can either be accessing all the information from the planet and look at a great art or whatever, or you can be, ‘Oh, look at me having fun,’ ‘look at what I’ll just eat.’ You know what I mean? The power, the tools are there. It’s about your aspiration, going back to that. And that’s the biggest problem we have today. Two things. You know, lack of empathy and the aspirations of what people, yeah, young people.”
The world has always been fucked up, he muses, but social media has amplified it. During the pandemic, he saw a society that had lost its fight. “It’s really complacency. 21st century sickness,” he sighs. “Somebody famous once said, ‘It’s hard to fight an enemy that’s occupied your mind.’” He sees the conflict within all of us. “We’ve all partially bought into this stuff that we’re complaining about, and it’s a difficult issue… it’s almost like a daily struggle between you’ve got God whispering the right things in this ear, and the devil whispering something else in this ear, and the devil’s really loud.”
And the devil, he adds with another grin, “has got the best tunes.”
No Regrets, Just Wisdom
From his time managing the punk-fashion emporium Acme Attractions with Vivienne Westwood and Malcolm McLaren (“I didn’t want to wear rubber gear. It wasn’t me.”) to directing over 300 music videos for everyone from The Clash to Musical Youth, Don’s path has been his own. I ask if there were any forks in the road, any missed opportunities he looks back on.
The answer is instant and absolute. “None? None. I mean, look, I mean, I don’t know what’s going on about what I’ve done, but even I’m, like, whoa. People tell me it’s a pretty wild ride. And I’m still standing… So it would be churlish for me to sit here and go, ‘I wish I…’ You know what I mean? I’ve been musically blessed.”
He’s taken his wild ride to Jamaica and back, famously taking bands like Black Grape to the island. “I’ve taken a few bands to Jamaica, and Jamaica’s always blown their minds. Shaun and Kermit and Bez, they blew the Jamaicans’ minds. Trust me.”
Now a grandfather, he views the world through a new lens, but his core philosophy remains unchanged. It’s encapsulated in a story from his childhood.
“I always remember when I was a kid, when I saw this Western, a black and white Western, I’m that old, folks. And there was a young gunslinger and an old gunslinger. And the young gunslinger said to the old gunslinger, ‘How can I be like you? How can I be the number one gunslinger?’ And the old boy said, ‘Draw fast, shoot straight, and don’t hit the bystanders.’ Which in my mind means pick a goal, go for it, and funny enough… don’t be a clown.”
He pauses, letting the simple wisdom land. “You know, and I’ve never forgotten that. I saw that when I was like 10 years old and it’s stuck with me to this very day. Draw fast, shoot straight, don’t hit the bystanders.”
It’s the code of the Rebel Dread. It’s the reason that, even as he approaches 70, Don Letts is still standing, still creating, still inspiring. He’s seen it all, done it all, and somehow, he’s still not jaded. As he gets up to leave, I’m reminded of the final words from his documentary, ‘Rebel Dread’. They’re perhaps the most potent advice of all.
“Try not to be a cunt.”
Words to live by.
Find out more about Don Letts, his music and exceptional life at www.donletts.com
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